In this fourth episode, Jack talks with Vance Bell about what it's like to successfully lead a $4 billion enterprise. Vance is the Executive Chairman and former CEO of Shaw Industries, a Berkshire Hathaway Company. Vance discusses what he learned running a business through difficult times and treating employees well as he led Shaw Industries through the economic downturn in the Great Recession. Jack also asks Vance what it's really like to work for Warren Buffett. It's not just about leading a business well but leading a business like a family business. Listen to this episode as Jack discusses with the Vance about leading a business well for generations to come.